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 Post subject: The Lords of the Isles and an alleged Royal Visitor
PostPosted: Thu Aug 16, 2007 11:59 am 
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The Ileach, local newspaper for Islay and Jura, published an interesting story about an alleged Royal visitor at Finlaggan on Islay:

Lords of the Isles Story

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Its an interesting story... and another twist is added by wiki's entry on Domhnall of Islay, Lord of the Isles...

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Domhnall spent some of his first years as Lord of the Isles suppressing a revolt by his brother John Mór. John was Domhnall's younger brother, and resented his meagre inheritance. Although he was recognized as heir-apparent (tànaiste), he only received patches of land in Kintyre and Islay. The rebellion started in 1387 and went on into the 1390s, and John obtained the support of the MacLean kindred. However, John and the MacLeans were eventually forced to submit to Domhnall, and by 1395 John Mór had been forced into Ireland. There he entered the service of King Richard II of England and later established a MacDonald lordship in Antrim.


This wasn't the last connection between the Lords of the Isles and the English... and I'm not just referring to Prince Charles currently holding the title! In 1462 John II, the fourth and last Lord of the Isles, entered into an agreement with Edward IV of England (known as the Treaty of Westminster-Ardtornish) in an attempt to break completely free of the Scottish king. The following is again from wiki:

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John agreed to pay homage to Edward in return for his help in obtaining all of Scotland north of the Forth. The treaty is a remarkably vague document considering the risks John was prepared to take. It says absolutely nothing about the nature, scale and timing of English support. But for Edward it was a brilliant diplomatic coup. He achieved maximum results at minimum expense, laying out only as much bait as necessary to create a political disturbance in northern Scotland.


This was just one of the many acts that led to the downfall of the Lords of the Isles:

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In the mid 1470s Edward, preparing for a war with France, and anxious for good relations with Scotland, finally revealed the full terms of the Westminster treaty. John was summoned before parliament to answer for his treasons, and when he failed to appear was declared forfeit. With no allies, either at home or abroad, John had little choice but to make his peace with the king in the summer of 1476. Considering the full extent of his treason, far greater than that which had destroyed the Border Douglases, he was treated with comparative leniency. He lost the earldom of Ross-outwith the Isle of Skye-as well as Knapdale and Kintyre, but retained control of the Hebrides. The designation of Lord of the Isles, moreover, was from this point forward to be granted by the crown, rather than self-assumed.

But John had lost much more than land: he lost prestige and standing among his own kin. The Lordship had always depended on territorial expansion to give life to its warrior values; but now that it was contracting all of the latent tensions came forth, finding expression in the person of Angus Óg. Angus, according to Hugh Macdonald, ejected John both from the leadership of the clan and from his own home, forcing him to seek shelter under an old boat. Afterwards John managed to gain some support. His fleet of galleys met those of Angus sometime in the early 1480s-we cannot be more precise than that-off the coast of Mull to the north-west of the present town of Tobermory, an area ever afterwards to be known as Bloody Bay. The Battle of Bloody Bay was a complete victory for Angus, who continued to dominate the affairs of Clan Donald up to his murder in 1490.


Angus Óg was actually the illigitimate son of John and this fact provides another clue as to the downfall of the Lords of the Isles... the fact that their enemies didn't have to divide and conquer as they were doing all the dividing themselves! :roll:

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Bruce wrote:
Its an interesting story...


Very Interesting follow up as well. Thanks for adding these "extra's" :D

If you're into some more Islay History try the following link: Islay's history from the 5th century to the death of John in the Monastry of Paisley where he died in 1498

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A more jaundiced view might be that the Lords of the Isles were pretty much doomed as soon as they became part of the appalling Stewart family, whose early generations were as nasty as anything seen anywhere in the world, and whose last generations were as deeply ineffectual (but just as damaging to Scotland) as anything seen anywhere in the world.

The "twin peaks" of the "Isles" line were Somerled, who was "King of the Isles" (Ri Innse Gall) , and, four generations later, John of the Isles, who appointed himself the first "Lord of the Isles" ("Dominus Insularum") in a letter to Edward III of England.

The difference between the two was that Somerled was a genuine soverign monarch who had made a realm independant of both Norway and Scotland: something that did not survive its division between his sons (after his death in conflict with Scotland). John, on the other hand, ended up with what amounted to regal powers, but always operated under nominal allegiance to the Scottish crown.

It would probably have gone wrong anyway, given the history that followed, but John tried to ensure the future success of the Lords of the Isles by passing the title to the oldest son from his second marriage (to a daughter of Robert II) Donald, rather than to his sons of his first marriage.

Donald and those that followed seemed unable to avoid getting involved in the internal Stewart family infighting, largely over the ownership of the Earldom of Ross and the vast lands and fortunes that went with it. The Battle of Harlaw is often represented (as it was at the time by Robert Stewart, Duke of Albany) as the triumph of the lowlanders over the savage highland hordes: in reality it was more a Stewart family squabble about who owned Ross.

But the final demise of the Lordship did, as Bruce says, follow John MacDonald II's (the 4th Lord) entering into a totally pointless treaty with Edward IV of England under which he believed he would become King of all Scotland north of the Clyde/Forth in return for giving allegiance to Edward. When the terms of this were later revealed to he Scottish King by the English King, it all hit the fan.

In the end, the title Lord of the Isles joined the personal collection of the Scottish monarchs, just had the title of Prince of Wales had earlier been taken into the personal control of Edward I of England. The result is that today's Prince of Wales is also Lord of the Isles.

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