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 Post subject: What is the history behind Enoch Hill
PostPosted: Sat Oct 23, 2010 2:06 am 
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Enoch Hill in Ayrshire has the source of three rivers near its base and, as the best way to get from one place to another in the darker ages was to follow the run, I was wondering if the hill was significant.
The Connel and (what is now) the Nith both flowed north east into the great loch surrounding Cumnock Castle, Kyle Regis. This loch gave birth to the Nith which flowed south to Dumfries and the Solway but it also gave life to the Glaisnock which flowed into the Lugar and then the Ayr to Firth of Clyde.
The Deuch flowed south, entered the Ken and then to the Solway near Kirkcudbright.

Is it named after St Enoch?
Was Comenoc named after Enoch?
Was Connel named after St Conval: pupil of St Enoch's son St Kentigern?

I remember seeing a picture taken from Enoch Hill showing the sea, that is some distance away. So is there much more to Enoch Hill than we know?

Coincidence that Robert Burns was connected with Ayr, Dumfries and Kirkcudbright. Just kidding.

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 Post subject: Re: What is the history behind Enoch Hill
PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 11:39 pm 
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Aulyin, a wee guess, from the Gaelic Aonach=Hill.


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 Post subject: Re: What is the history behind Enoch Hill
PostPosted: Thu Dec 16, 2010 4:25 pm 
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With there being at least three languages in the area I should leave it up to the experts, but experts have been proved wrong more than once after saying "definately".
I don't really like saying " Oh well that word is close enough. Let's say that's where this originated." There are a few words from the Welsh which could be associated with Comenagh:
Afon = river [Afton]
comin = common [Comen-agh]
congl = corner [Conval/Connel]
nyth = nest, inaccessible position [Nith]
cwm = valley, dale. [Cumok]
cŵn (pl) = dogs [Cunnok]
http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsi ... y-l-o.html

Irish Gaelic - Aonach = Fair.
Scottish Gaelic - *Aonach = steep height, plateau, hill.
Welsh Gaeli - X

We will probably never truely know, after all, which was the first name used:

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The Reverend Warwick provides a detailed list of forms
without dates and these include Cumnok, Comenocke, Comnocke, Canknok, Cumnoke, Cumock, Cumok, Cumnoc, Cumno, Comenogh, Cunnok and Cumnoch. To this list can be added Comenagh and Comenoc probably the earliest recorded forms of the name. Patrick of Comenagh (Earl of Dunbar) appears in the Ragman Roll of 1296.
http://members.tripod.com/bob_newcumnoc ... nockx.html

* http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsi ... y-a-b.html

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 Post subject: Re: What is the history behind Enoch Hill
PostPosted: Sun Oct 09, 2011 2:46 pm 
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Aulyin wrote:
Enoch Hill in Ayrshire has the source of three rivers near its base and, as the best way to get from one place to another in the darker ages was to follow the run, I was wondering if the hill was significant.
The Connel and (what is now) the Nith both flowed north east into the great loch surrounding Cumnock Castle, Kyle Regis. This loch gave birth to the Nith which flowed south to Dumfries and the Solway but it also gave life to the Glaisnock which flowed into the Lugar and then the Ayr to Firth of Clyde.
The Deuch flowed south, entered the Ken and then to the Solway near Kirkcudbright.

Is it named after St Enoch?
Was Comenoc named after Enoch?
Was Connel named after St Conval: pupil of St Enoch's son St Kentigern?

I remember seeing a picture taken from Enoch Hill showing the sea, that is some distance away. So is there much more to Enoch Hill than we know?

Coincidence that Robert Burns was connected with Ayr, Dumfries and Kirkcudbright. Just kidding.



if there is marshes there with the rivers , it might be gaidhlig "eanach" , a marsh .? marsh hill? hill by the marsh?

Dont know any historical significance to it?!

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